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Ab Initio Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.07 12:05:00 - [1] Originally by: Mace Ardguy Each and every engagement and kill you make against ASCN is a carebear gaining combat experience against the self-confessed best in the game. The longer this goes on the more likely is BoB's downfall. To be honest, we are already seeing improvement in some areas, and I have no doubt that will continue. A war of this scale will do one of two things, break an entity or make it stronger. It's really up to ASCN which of those two options it takes. The truth is, no one outside of BoB and ASCN are really aware of what we are both capable of. I see lots of posts that are based on assumption and conjecture that are completely missing the mark (in regards to both alliances). Btw, the fights this afternoon in TPAR were great fun. Not looking forward to the day Tier III BS come out :)
Ab Initio Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.07 12:22:00 - [2] Originally by: Ronja Mistysdottir BOB need to take a look at the kill loss ratio of E3 to AAA, and Burn Eden. Sure, bob racked up the kills in a couple of hours. Burn Eden however kills that much ASCN every week. And they don't take any losses either. It's very hard to compare the kind of fighting happening in TPAR at the moment to the accomplishments of groups like Burn Eden. Those kills are not form small scale engagements, or shooting at unsuspecting victims. Every person on that list was part of a near 200 man group, in our territory, attacking us. For those that haven't really been part of fleet engagments before, they had enough BS firepower to instapop 3 or 4 BS at once. On a 24" monitor, I had to scroll my overview twice to see all the BS. Now considering that, and the fact that during the most exciting parts of those fights, there was only 17 BS on our side (and thats all we were using). It's hard to compare numbers :P It's great fun, thank you to ASCN for the opportunity. GF to the ANZA guys!
Ab Initio Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.07 12:29:00 - [3] Originally by: fuze Originally by: John McCreedy All ASCN towers refreshed, refueld and out of Reinforced. Did you at least put some guns on them this time? No they didn't, that information itself isn't entirely accurate either.
Ab Initio Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.07 12:41:00 - [4] Originally by: Kariss Originally by: Janus Drake 30 of 35 posts, replys of Bob, do you not have an own forum? QFT. They may have the PVP skills but their self-gratifying ego-stroking in these frequent public displays is pretty pathetic. Good luck ASCN. You would do better to point out the good as something to aim for, than flame the people you consider to be doing the wrong thing. These kinds of posts add less positive content to the thread than the posts you're complaining about.
Ab Initio Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.07 14:02:00 - [5] Originally by: Rennard Now this topic started to seem something interesting... I think ASCN doesn`t care few carrier deaths since they can build up capital ships faster than BoB, they will replace`em in no time. And like i always said, early days BoB will seem like winning but when it comes to POS and Capital Ships war, tables will turn. BoB can never match ASCN`s industrial power. plus i think ASCN wanted everyone to hear that they invaded the BoB space and started building Pos. The blow to BoB`s reputation is greater next to 2 carrier loss. Not to belittle the accomplishments of ASCN here, but do you actually thing that entering a BoB system and putting POS up is a hit to our reputation? The POS established in the system are for the most part lacking any fittings, or fuel. They're falling by the minute. If nothing else though, the POS are giving us something to fight over, and that can only be good.
Ab Initio Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.07 14:23:00 - [6] Originally by: Justice forHungary Can i post here ? Or this is only BoB place ? More ASCN would be preferable to third parties telling us what you're capable of :)
Ab Initio Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.08 04:21:00 - [7] Most of the points in Cyvoks post have already had 20 rebuttles posted against it, but I would like to comment on one particular item. Lag. There is no point complaining about it constantly, it's a part of the game. Just like us Aussies complaining about drought, at what point do we realise that this is what we have to work with. During fighting yesterday, there was between 160 - 190 ASCN camping TCAG gate in TPAR. A massive amount of those ships were BS, and there firepower was horrific (we lost a couple of runs, including 6 BS downed in about 8 - 10 seconds at one point). At the hight of there numbers, we were at our lowest of about 17 BS, and we kept engaging (and winning). During the entire fight, we warped in at range on every run so that both sides could load, and then warped into the field to engage. Now how you can: 1. Have a go at us for not engaging you. When those are 11:1 odds during that fight (that lasted for almost an entire day). 2. Have a go at us for lag? Everytime we engaged you, you had to load 17 ships. We had to load 160+. Everytime we engaged we did everything we could to minimise lag and get good fights. Everyone can say what they want on these boards, but the ASCN and BOB that are actually in these fights know what's going on.
Ab Initio Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.09 22:16:00 - [8] I have a question for the guys saying that the only way we are getting kills is because of node crashes and relogging. Do you have first hand experience of this, or is this what your alliance mates are telling you? I know personally, I have been in constant fleet fights from the moment I login each day, till the moment I log out and yet I haven't seen a node crash during my timezone in a week and a half (I play during US/EU timezones on weekends as well). I have however seen lots of good battles and exploding ships. Yes, I have no doubt that some kills are happening after relogging. As one of the ASCN members said earlier, they have people logging back in an hour after the crash and then being suprised when they get ganked. But the majority of kills are happening in stand up fights, the people taking part in these fights know the truth whether it makes it as far as there alliance mates or not. Good fight to the guys in TCAG yesterday. But if you're going to go for close range, don't stop at 75, come in at 15. Been too long since a good close range slug fest. :)
Ab Initio Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.10 04:12:00 - [9] Originally by: Robet Katrix It's not that BOB states facts, its how you state those facts that makes it propoganda. when you say we have killed 350 BS and suffered almsot no losses... it is true. but those losses are being played down and may be in fact more significant than they are led to be. BOB may say that they have totally won in TPAR, that is propoganda. you have won, but you have done so on your own soil. anything that is not 100% impartial can be characterized as propoganda. The statements a lot of BoB make on these forums are not diplomatic, they aren't sugar coated but they are based on publicly available data. You only need to look as far as the "BoB vs ASCN" thread to see that completely factual information can come from a BoB member, and be called propaganda. The next day we see the same stats in an EVE Tribune write up, and suddenly our enemies don't have a problem with it. Originally by: Eve Tribune "On Sunday, BoB forces were again mostly undisturbed, taking only three losses and causing 88 Battleship losses on ASCN side. As I said in the other thread, "mostly undisturbed" might be a little more diplomatic than "busy slaughtering", but is either one less true?
Ab Initio Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.10 05:01:00 - [10] Originally by: pxmars Edited by: pxmars on 10/10/2006 04:53:52 I would like to say thanks to bob... You are teaching me and my fellow ascn to be better fighters. It might cost me a bs a day for a month but it will be well worth it. Your training us to be a pvp alliace. I wish you all the best of luck and Will see ya around /pxmars polishing new scorpion Theres a rarely a fight without opportunity to learn and improve for both sides. The more people that realise this, and use it as an opportunity to improve, the more fun both sides have.

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